Sunday, May 04, 2008

Shhh, don't talk about the science

Pomfelo advises on the prudence of not taking a stance on global warming:


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4 comments:

Glitch said...

Here's an interesting comment from the Suicidegirl's comments (Waddy old boy - I don't recall any comments from you regarding NASA's little faux paus with their temp analysis...gee wonder why?:


CodyW said:
Disprove Global-Warming? I thought the entire crux of the argument is whether or not it's mostly due to human involvement. Myself, I don't believe the Global-Warming we're seeing now is being caused by our population - even if we have some effect, it's very nil.

NASA Corrects 120 Years Worth of Bad Data, Notes NCPA Expert
DALLAS (August 14, 2007)
- The warmest year on record is no longer 1998 and not because it has been overtaken by a recent heat wave. NASA scientist James Hansen's famous claims about 1998 being the warmest year on record in the U.S. was the result of a serious math error, according to H. Sterling Burnett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA). NASA has now corrected the error, anointing 1934 as the warmest year and 1921 as the third warmest year, not 2006 as previously claimed.

"Hansen's conclusions that the majority of the 10 hottest years occurred since 1990 are false," Burnett said.
(and of course, the AGW crowds 'scientific' response...glitch) "While Hansen's original declaration made headlines, NASA's correction has been ignored."

According to NASA's newly published data:

The hottest year on record is 1934, not 1998;
The third hottest year on record was 1921, not 2006;
Three of the five hottest years on record occurred before 1940; and
Six of the top 10 hottest years occurred before 90 percent of the growth in greenhouse gas emissions during the last century occurred.
NASA's ground based temperature records for the past 120 years, which have been the basis for most of the claims that global warming is happening at an unprecedented rate, almost entirely due to human actions, have now been corrected to show that much of the warming occurred before CO2 emissions and concentrations began to rise significantly.

"Much of the current global warming fear has been driven by Hansen's pronouncements, and he routinely claims to have been censored by the Bush administration for his views on warming," said Burnett. "Now that NASA, without fanfare, has cleaned up his mess, Hansen has been silent - I guess we can chalk this up to self-censorship."





This is what those of us who actually practice science call cherry picking. It's statistically and (since we're kinda sticklers about math) scientifically unsound, and thus generally frowned upon. As such, I'm going to ask you to please step away from the data before anybody gets hurt.



...well? How about actually responding to the facts highlighted above? It would be a nice change! :)

Giacomo said...

@glitch
That's about US temperature. In case you noticed, US is not the whole world. Go check the GISS site for the world temperature, and come back. BTW they already corrected the error, it's absurdly small when compared to global scale.

Glitch said...

Yes, what is the actual "whole world" temp increase for the past century? And while you're looking up the magical data that no one seems to be able to post for review, tell my how much of that increase happened in the 1st 50 years and how much happened in the 2nd 50... woops! Can't do that, can we? the last couple of years kind of wipe out the last century's increase... (sigh)



And while I'm looking up the "absurdly small" error issue... please provide the Climate Models that were produced in the 70's, 80's or 90's that predicted that AGW was going to ... how do you say it, "go on vacation?" for the next 15 years.

I'm still waiting on ANY models that get anywhere near accurately predicting historical VERIFIED (not proxy data) climate data (you know, it's called testing. Programmers do that when they write things....especially before they claim they're accurately representing anything.

Glitch said...

...just a thought: After we lick the evils of CO2 "pushing" causing the planet to burn to cinder, we need to tackle the REAL Green House Gas - the one that's responsible for 65-85% of "the green-house" effect.

That's right. Our next enemy is Water Vapor. I have some really great ideas.

1) Produce 10 million de-humidifiers, hang them on Baloons and let them fly

2) Here's a winner...you guys will love this one since you can attack evil capitalists: In the next 10 years, hydrogen fuel cell cars will be on the market. You can make sure they get taken off the market - PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS! Have to reduce our "Di-hydrogen oxide footprint"

3) A REALLY BIG SPONGE. I mean REALLY BIG. The International Space Station can extend it from a 500 mile cable, soak up all that evil water and wench it up into orbit.

But of course, we must make sure that whatever our solution is, it MUST DESTROY FREE MARKET ECONOMIES! It must make people LOWER their standard of living...

:)